Best Adult Tricycles – Reviews and Advice for Every Rider

Last Updated: April 10, 2020

by Mike Bravetti

By far one of the most important decisions that adults can make is to stay active and fit regardless of their age or condition. Getting outside is a great way to do that, and for a lot of adults, an adult tricycle is the perfect option. Unlike an ordinary bike, a 3 wheel bicycle is more comfortable, easier on the knees and hips, can accommodate larger riders, is a much more safe and stable choice.

Woman resting on a tricycle

As you might have guessed from our name, we here at AdultTricyclesPro are avid bikers, hikers, and trikers. We are obsessed with helping people find the right adult tricycle so they can get outside, get some exercise, and enjoy some sunshine. In order to find the best adult tricycles we've done a ton of research to look into all of the manufacturers and models out there to find ones that are high-quality and won't break down on you after a few rides. It wasn't easy since there are a lot of companies out there making some questionable products, but we came away with some solid choices, and we'll share those with you here!

To review and report back on the best adult tricycles, we looked at both well known brands (like Schwinn) and smaller comapnies we had not heard of. Of course, the right choice for you is going to depend on your needs, your budget, and which models you think look good. We hope everyone from those just starting out with an adult trike to experienced outdoors enthusiasts looking for the latest advice can find some good three wheel bikes to look at and some new information to help them decide which is the right one for them.

Why Do You Need An Adult Tricycle?

Adult tricycles are built with the sole purpose of enhancing everyone's ability to enjoy riding, increasing safety, and providing a more comfortable form of exercise that is easier on your joints, particularly your knees and hips. They come with lots of features that are extremely convenient for those looking to stay active: baskets for carrying groceries or gear, flags and bells for safety, and more comfortable seats than you will find on any bicycle.

Our Choices for the Best Adult Tricycle

This was a difficult process. There are so many different features and facets that are important to selecting a three wheel bike and to those looking to take advantage of this great form of exercise. It made things difficult to create a single "top choices" list and to winnow the field down even more to products that we felt comfortable purchasing and putting through our testing process. However, after a lot deliberation here are our top picks. Read on past the list for individual product reviews and a few words on our testing methodology.

Here are the Best Adult Tricycles you can buy:

Read on for more choices, photos, in depth reviews, and all about the testing we did to reach our top picks.

How We Tested the 3-Wheel Bikes

Schwinn Meridian Adult Tricycle

Testing the best adult tricycles was a difficult task, as it turns out. As with other bicycle related testing we have done in our lives as biking enthusiasts, there are a number of variables that are beyond our control that can mess up our results. These variables include the climate to the environment we are testing in to the weather on particular days that we have a particular trike out for testing.

We also wanted to make sure to get a wide variety of terrain into our testing procedure so we could see how the tricycles performed on flat open roads, on narrow bike paths, on gravel, up and down hills, even on grass and in a bit of mud. At the same time, most riders will be spending most of their time on a paved bike path or road, so that needed to be the bread and butter of the testing.

Of course, we also wanted to test how well the bikes performed with a few additional tasks that might be important. If they came with a basket or ability to carry extra gear we wanted to test out how well that worked: what were the weight and size constraints, was the cargo easy to load, etc.

Luckily for everyone, AdultTricyclesPro is based in lovely Boulder, Colorado where we have an abundance of paved and unpaved trails, wide bike lanes, off road areas, gravel paths, and plenty of sunny days on which to do the testing. The main testing route we used was along the Boulder Creek path and the Goose Creek path as well as big hill we had to go up and then down to get from one to the other. We also added in a few offroad and grass test areas for the bikes that could handle it (a few of the bikes, particularly with the smaller wheel were not well suited to off-roading).

So, it was a lot of work! Hopefully you enjoy the detailed reviews below!

The Best Adults Tricycles - Detailed Reviews

1. Schwinn Meridian Adult Tricycle

Schwinn Meridian Adult Tricycle - Blue

Probably the most well-known bicycle brand in the USA, Schwinn was originally founded in 1895 and was the leading producer of bikes in the US for most of the 20th century. It is now owned by Pacific Cycle, but is still producing great bikes, including the Meridian Adult Tricycle. One of the biggest challenges in selecting adult tricycles to test was the frequency with which small brands would pop up and then disappear. This wasn't just a pain in the neck for us, but if you bought an off-brand tricycle from a company that disappeared a year later, the chances of a getting that trike repaired if something goes wrong are slim to none.

With Schwinn, you know the company is still going to be around in a couple of year when you need a part repaired or replaced, or if you want to add a more comfortable seat. Reliability and customer service are definitely big advantages to going with a larger brand, though that does make the trike slightly more expensive than a few other options.

That said, the Meridian is about more than just its brand name! There are two wheel sizes available, the 24" or the 26". There is not a huge difference between these two, but the smaller wheel will make the whole bike a little less bulky and is ideal for a slightly smaller rider. Taller and larger riders on the other hand should lean toward the 26". We think most people will prefer the 26" wheel option because of the added smoothness and comfort of the ride. Really though, you're not likely to notice a big difference either way. Both sizes are quite standard for bicycles, so replacing tires or repairing flats won't ever be an issue like you might find with some trikes that have a much smaller wheel size.

A solid aluminum frame, a low step-through to make getting on and off the trike easy, quality construction, and a lovely design solidified the Meridian's place as our top choice for most riders, particularly those just starting out and looking for a way to go at a leisurely pace.

Facts & Figures:

  • Both 24" and 26" Wheel Options
  • Large Spring-loaded seat for maximum comfort
  • Fold down rear storage basket
  • Manufacturer suggested weight limit: 300 pounds

Pros of the Schwinn Meridian

  • Reliable brand. Schwinn is an iconic brand that will stand behind their products for years to come. If you need a repair or replacement, they are still going to be around to provide it.
  • Great for beginners. It is solid and beginner-friendly. Although some might not like that there is only one speed on this bike, that reduces the complexity and the number of things that can go wrong. With the Meridian you can just get on the trike and ride without worrying about gears or anything else.
  • Mid-range price point. While it isn't the cheapest option, it isn't the most expensive either. For what you get, we think this is a great value.
  • Large storage compartment. Fold down basket for storing groceries or a backpack (not suitable for children!).

Cons of the Schwinn Meridian

  • Single Speed. While this is probably good for the beginner, it does limit your options.
  • A Bit Heavy. You definitely don't want to have to carry this trike for any distance. Hopefully you'll be riding it most of the time so this won't be an issue!

Read our complete Schwinn Meridian Adult Tricycle Review for more details!

2. Raleigh Torker TriStar 3-Speed Trike

Picture of the Raleigh Bikes Three Speed Tristar

Dating back to 1885 in Nottingham, England, the Raleigh brand is another iconic brand in the bicycling world. The Raleigh Bikes Torker Tristar 3-speed Trike is extremely durable and the highest quality construction of any of the trikes we tested. The frame also comes with a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser (so it won't transfer if someone else buys the bike or if you buy the trike used).

The Torker has a somewhat different look than most of the trikes we tested out due to the two different wheel sizes in use. The front wheel is a 24" wheel while the two rear wheel are 20". The big advantage of the smaller rear wheels is to keep the trike narrower than any of its competitors, allowing it to fit easily into a bike lane, through doors, or into the back of an SUV.

Another standout feature of the Torker is the 3-speed gearing system. Gearing is often an area that creates the most headaches in a bike: chains can come loose, the derailers can get misaligned, or any number of other mechanical failures. It's why we often say that single speed options are great for people just starting out. However, Raleign used an extremely high quality internal geared hub (by Sturmey Archer) to help alleviate most of the usual problems with a geared tricycle. This really made the trike a pleasure to ride, particularly on hilly terrain where the additional gear options allowed us to get up the hills without having to break (much) of a sweat.

Finally, the cargo carrying on the Torker is excellent. The rear cargo hold carries up to 45 pounds of groceries, or whatever else you choose to use it for.

Pros of the Raleigh Torker TriStar 3-Speed

  • Quality. It is definitely the most durable, highest-quality adult tricycle we've tested out. The internal hub gearing system is top notch, the construction is solid, and the lifetime warranty backs that up.
  • Comfort. The spring-loaded seat was one of our favorites and it helped smooth out any bumps we hit along the way.
  • Front Fender. The included front fender kept water from spraying up into our face when riding through puddles or in wet conditions.
  • Warranty. Again, lifetime warranty, and from a brand that is likely to be around to honor that warranty. What more can you ask for?

Cons of the Raleigh Torker TriStar 3-Speed

  • Price. Definitely the highest priced option we covered, but if you're looking for a multi-speed adult tricycle that will last and isn't going to break down on you, this is an absolutely fantastic investment.

Read our complete Raleigh Bikes Tristar 3-Speed Trike Review for more details!

3. Worksman Port-o-Trike

One of the major problems a lot of people have with an adult-sized tricycle is that they are bulky and hard to get into a vehicle. If you don't live somewhere that you can just hop on the trike and ride, but instead need to get it into a car and drive to a park or recreation area, then most tricycles can cause a big headache.

This is why a lot of people are on the lookout for folding adult tricycles. Our top choice here is the Worksman Port-o-Trike single speed folding tricycle. Worksman really thought about how to reduce the size of the trike for transport, using 20" wheels instead of the 24" or 26" wheels you usually find. These smaller wheels help the trike slim down in addition to the ability to fold (since you obviously can't fold the wheels).

One additional advantage to the smaller wheels is that they help provide a lower center of gravity for the worksman tricycle, giving a sturdier more stable feel to the ride. The downside of the smaller wheels is that they absorb a little less of the terrain, so we'd recommend this is if you are going to be using it more on paved roads or paths. It's not really an off-road design though a bit of hard-packed gravel should be fine, you just might bounce around a bit more than on some of the other choices!

Facts & Figures:

  • Measures 30" x 31" x 29" when folded
  • Single speed
  • 20-Inch wheels
  • Recommended rider weight is 250 pounds or less

Pros of the Worksman Port-o-Trike Single Speed Adult Tricycle

  • Low step-over. This makes getting on and off the trike easier than with some of the other options. Definitely helpful if you have joint issues.
  • Low center of gravity. The 20-Inch wheels and the design of the frame provide a center of gravity that is very low to the ground, making this trike feel more stable and less prone to tipping over. Although all trikes provide better stability than their two-wheeled counterparts, the Worksman might be paritcularly ideal if you have balance problems.
  • Folds down for transport. Obviously this is the major feature of the "Port"-O-Trike. The folded down size is a manageable 30" by 31" by 29", which can be a big help getting it in the back of a car. Make sure to measure the vehicle you plan to use to transport it (and give yourself a few extra inches on those dimensions) and see if it will fit where you need it to!

Cons of the Worksman Port-o-Trike Single Speed Adult Tricycle

  • Not great off-road. While the smaller wheels provide advantages in size and the lower center of gravity, they do mean the ride on the Worksman is not quite as smooth as on trikes with larger wheels. This isn't a problem if you're riding on paved bike paths or roads all the time, but if you plan on riding over gravel or dirt the Worksman has a bumpier ride than other options.
  • Low Carrying Capacity. The manufacturer recommends a maximum rider weight of 215 pounds, which isn't going to accommodate everyone. They definitely err on the conservative side, but it is still probably not ideal for larger adults.
  • Single Speed. Again, this limits the effectiveness of the Worksman trike on rougher terrain or in really hilly areas. Of course, it has the advantage of easier maintenance and reduced likelihood of a breakdown.

4. Mantis Tri-Rad Folding Adult Tricycle

Mantis Tri-Rad Folding Adult Tricycle

The Mantis Tri-Rad adult tricycle is one of the most feature-packed trikes on our list. In addition to being foldable, it comes in both 6-speed and single-speed options, as well as having options for either 20" or 24" wheels. This is the perfect choice for those looking for a tricycle with gears that they can also fold up and fit into the back of a vehicle. One quick note: be careful when ordering to get all the options right! If you want a geared trike, make sure that you choose one of the 6-speed options, and also check the description for the wheel size since some of them will have 20" and others 24" wheels.

In addition to the gear options and its foldability, the Mantis Tri-Rad has a steel frame to maximize durability and carry heavier loads. It also comes included with the a front fender to keep mud and water from splashing up on you from the wheel, a rear basket for carrying up to 40 pounds of groceries or gear, a bell to let people know you're coming up behind them, and a chain guard to keep clothing from getting caught up in the chain and gears.

The one major downside to the Mantis Tri-Rad is that it comes completely unassembled. If you don't feel comfortable assembling it yourself, then almost any local bike shop will do the job, but it will cost you some money to get a bike shop to do it for you.

Facts & Figures:

  • Steel frame and fork.
  • 20-Inch or 24-Inch tires (currently the 6-speed only comes with 24")
  • Folded size: 35-Inches by 30-Inches by 31-Inches

Pros of the Mantis Tri-Rad Folding Tricycle

  • 6-speed option. We specifically selected this as the best option for those who wanted a tricycle with gears and wanted a tricycle that would fold down to fit in a vehicle. The gears let you get up and down hills a bit more easily than a single speed trike.
  • Foldable. Again, this is one of the major distinguishing features of the Mantis Tri-Rad. It is a bit bigger when folded than the Worksman Port-o-Trike (also on our list), but should still fit pretty easily into an SUV or hatchback.
  • Steel frame and fork. Nothing beats steel for durability. It weighs a bit more than aluminum, but is much sturdier over time.

Cons of the Mantis Tri-Rad Folding Tricycle

  • Some quality issues. We've definitely seen a number of reports of bent or scratched parts with the mantis. Make sure to check the trike when you unpack it so that you can return it right away if there is a problem.
  • Full Assembly required. It is completely unassembled on delivery, so will take an afternoon to get it all put together if you do it yourself, or will cost you a few bucks to get a bike shop to do it for you.

Read our complete Mantis Tri-Rad Folding Adult Tricycle Review for more details!

5. Barbella 7-Speed Adult Tricycle

The Barbella brand is a rather new brand in the adult tricycle world, but the initial reviews their trikes have gotten are very positive, so we decided to go ahead and include them in our list. (We generally tried to stick to more established brands so that you can rely on the service and warranty being around if you need it a couple of years down the line.)

The biggest advantage the Barbella had over competitors is a rock solid 7-speed option available in a variety of colors. Take care when ordering though since they also have a single-speed option available, just make sure you have selected one that actually says "7-speed."

Barbella has created a trike with high-quality components to make sure that the gearing system doesn't break down on you. This trike also can accommodate somewhat heavier riders as the manufacturer's recommended weight limit (which is on the conservative side) is up to 331 pounds. We wouldn't be surprised if it works out great for people over that limit since it is very solid, but that is the limit the manufacturer gives, so we'll go with that.

Facts & Figures:

  • Accommodates riders up to 331 pounds
  • 7-speed and single speed options
  • 24" Wheels

Pros of the Barbella 7-Speed Tricycle

  • 7-Speed gear option. If you are in a hilly area, this is a life-saver. The hub and shifting was also high-quality so should not require much maintenance. Of course, the gears are one of the most likely places for a trike or bike to break down, so if you don't need them, then the single speed might be easier.
  • Very comfortable seat. The Barbella trike is a bit more upright than some of the other options which some people prefer. The seat also comes with a backrest included to maximize comfort.
  • Oversize basket. The basket in the back is a bit larger than on the other trikes we tried, making hauling groceries or other items around a bit easier. 

Cons of the Barbella 7-Speed Tricycle

  • Assembly required. It is not the easiest trike in the world to assemble, so if you don't feel comfortable assembling it and don't have a local bike shop you can take it to for help, then might be one to avoid.

6. Vanell Adult Mountain Tricycle

The Vanell Adult Mountain Tricycle is designed to accommodate larger riders and also to accommodate rougher terrain. The Vanell Mountain Trike had the highest manufacturer recommended weight limit of any of the trikes on our list at 400 pounds. (As we usually say, these weight limits are the manufacturer recommendation and definitely err on the conservative side.) Equipped with mountain bike style tires for better grip and with mud guards on all three wheels, the Vanell definitely excels on rougher terrain, or areas with dirt and mud.

The Vanell is also great at carrying cargo. It comes equipped with an 18" x 22" cargo basked that is 11" high and is rated to hold up to 60 pounds of gear.

There are a few issues with this trike, however. The biggest problem is that it is a single speed trike which is a bit disappointing given that it seems designed more for off-road uses. Having a 6-speed option would really make it more useful for tough terrain. The other big problem is that it is designed like a mountain bike, which means that it has a higher step over than most other adult trikes. This can be a real problem for people with hip or knee problems. It also requires you to lean over a bit more (you can see in the picture that the handle bars are close to even with the seat) which can put strain on your lower back.

Facts & Figures:

  • Single speed
  • 20" Wheels
  • 18" x 22" x 11" basket with 60 pound capacity
  • 400 pound recommended weight limit

Pros of the Vanell Mountain Tricycle

  • Designed for off-road. The Vanell comes with tires that you would find on a mountain bike as well as mud guards on all three wheels, allowing you to go through mud or gravel without having to worry.
  • High weight capacity. The carrying capacity of the Vanell is higher than other options both in terms of cargo (up to 60 pounds) and rider (up to 400 pounds)
  • Most "bike-like." Of the options we tested this trike had the most "bike-like" feel to it. A higher center bar and a seat that was almost level with the handle bars led to a ride that was much closer to rider a bicycle than a typical adult tricycle. This may or may not be what you want though!

Cons of the Vanell Mountain Tricycle

  • Only single speed option available. This was a bit disappointing for a trike that is designed as a "mountain tricycle" since it makes hills a bit more difficult to navigate.
  • High step over. This definitely makes it more of a mountain tricycle, but is a big drawback if you have joint problems.
  • Less relaxed ride. The design of the Vanell mountain trike leads to a much more lean-forward position rather than a position in which you are closer to sitting upright. This can cause more strain on your back.

7. Kent Alameda 26" Adult Tricycle

The Kent Alameda three wheel bike with 26" wheels is a great choice for seniors and active adults. We think this is a solid choice for people who are just getting into cycling as way to stay fit and get outside. The larger wheel size (26" is the largest standard wheel size available on adult tricycles) helps to give the Kent Alameda a smooth, comfortable ride. It really shines on paved roads and bike paths.

The aluminum frame helps keep the overall weight of the bike down (though does sacrifice a bit on durability compared to a steel frame). The Alameda also comes with a rear basket for carrying cargo and three fenders for each of the wheels to keep the tires from kicking up any water or mud.

One other advantage of the Alameda is that it comes partially assembled, which cuts down on the time and energy to get it fully up and running. Partially assembled means you'll still need to do a bit of work to get the wheels on right and the fenders mounted, but a fair amount of the work is already done. We think it will take most people around two hours of additional elbow grease to get everything tightened down, but you can definitely still get a bike shop to help you out if you're uncomfortable getting it fully put together on your own.

Facts & Figures:

  • 26" Wheels for a smooth ride
  • 70" x 29" x 38" high fully assembled. Does not fold!
  • Aluminum frame
  • Manufacturers recommended weight limit is 250 pounds

Pros of the Kent Alameda

  • Simple and reliable. This is a single speed model that is really designed with the beginner in mind. It should be one of the easier trikes around in terms of getting it out of the box and getting up and riding as quickly as possible with a minimum of fuss.
  • Lightweight. Although the aluminum frame won't be quite as strong and durable as a steel frame, it is much lighter. This can make a big difference if you need to move the tricycle around with any frequency, and makes getting up hills a bit easier as well.
  • Good Price. It is usually available on Amazon at the lower end of the price range amongst all of the tricycles we looked at. Of course, it is single speed and doesn't fold, so you aren't getting quite as many bells and whistles as you might with some other tricycles, but if you don't need those features, then the Alameda is a good way to save a few bucks.
  • Smooth ride. The 26" wheels and the overall design led to a really comfortable and smooth ride on pavement.

Cons of the Kent Alameda

  • Single speed. This can be a problem if you live in a hilly area or will be going over terrain other than pavement.
  • Not quite as sturdy as other choices. Part of this is the aluminum frame just isn't as rigid and tough as steel, but it is also the geometry of the trike. It just doesn't feel quite as sturdy as some other options on our list.

How Three Wheel Bikes Help Adults with Fitness and Mobility

We all know that staying fit and active is important for your health and for your overall quality of life. Unfortunately, a lot of activities that are good at keep you fit don't necessarily work for everyone. Running is a nightmare on the knees and hips, regular cycling can be extremely problematic if you're balance isn't great while falling on a bike can lead to serious injury, and lots of other fitness activities just aren't that fun!

Tricycling is a great alternative to some of these problematic activities. The three wheel bike setup means that you don't need to balance like on a bike and there is a very low chance of a fall (especially if you are riding on a paved surface). It also provides a much more comfortable, reclined riding position that is far easier on the back. The gear setup on most tricycles is also a lot more foregiving than on a bicycle: you can pedal gently and move at a slower speed with makes the strain on knees and hips much lower.

One other great advantage to having a 3-wheel bicycle for adults is that they are also useful! You don't just have to set aside a time to go out and get exercise, you can incorporate your adult trike into your daily routine. It might take a little more time to ride your tricycle out to the grocery store and back, but you are getting outside, getting active, and getting supplies for dinner! That's what we call a win-win!

The Importance of Three Wheels

The biggest distinction of a tricycle is the "tri" part. It has three wheels as opposed to the two wheels on a bike, and this makes a HUGE difference. The most obvious is stability. You are not likely to fall over on a tricycle, while we've had countless falls on bicycles. Especially as you get older, or if you are recovering from knee or hip surgery, a bike fall could be catastrophic. A tricycle still lets you get out and move around without taking this risk.

In additon to the stability that a three wheel setup provides, there are some knock-on benefits from this as well. The biggest one is that you can go a lot slower. On a bicycle, you have to maintain a pretty decent speed just so that you stay upright. On a trike, staying upright is not an issue, so you can go at a much more leisurely pace. The designers know this, and so the gears on an adult tricycle are designed with this lower speed limit in mind. This means you have to put less pressure on your knees and hips to pedal the trike, and this reduces the overall strain on your body.

Finally, the stability and slower speed mean you don't need to be hunched over the handle bars and pushing ahead. The design of trikes is a little more laid back so that you can sit in a more comfortable position while cycling.

The Importance of Fitness

Hey, we all know staying fit is important. Not just for your overall health, but for your quality of life. One of the biggest fears many people have, particularly if they suffer from hip or knee problems or are recovering from surgery, is that they won't be able to get around on their own. This is a really big fear for a lot of people out there, and staying active with an adult trike can really help! Not only does it keep you active while protecting your joints, but it allows you to get around, go shopping and carry your purchases, all while improving your flexibility and overall fitness.

Facts: Doing Our Due Diligence on Adult Three Wheel Bikes

A trike is a three wheeled vehicle just like a bicycle. What else is there to know? A lot it turns out!

Some of the important features you should be looking at include:

  • Single-speed or Multi-Speed. This really depends on you, your budget, and where you plan to ride. If you are on mostly flat, paved surfaces then a single-speed trike is going to be just fine. If you are in a hilly area or will be going over dirt, gravel, or grass then you might want to consider a multi-speed tricycle. This way you can make the pedaling easier when going up hills or over more difficult terrain. The two downsides to a multi-speed tricycle are cost and maintenance. Multi-speed options will almost always cost more than their single-speed counterpart since have derailers, hubs, shifts, etc, all costs money. In addition to the cost, all those extra parts can break down. Thus, a multi-speed tricycle will generally require a bit more maintenance and tuning than a single-speed.
  • Wheel size. The trikes on our list had wheel sizes that are either 20", 24", or 26". If you go shopping around you might even find some options that have wheel sizes that are smaller or larger than those. The trade-off is generall that larger wheels offer a smoother ride since they have a larger diameter over which to even out the terrain. The downside to larger wheels is that, well, they're larger! If fitting the trike into your car or SUV is a necessity, then make sure you have space for larger wheels. The other positive aspect of smaller wheels is that they can help to lower the trikes center of gravity and make it more stable. The stability of the trike depends on other factors as well, but smaller wheels can lead to improved stability.
  • Bells & Whistles. It is worth checking what little add-ons the tricycle you are buying comes with. If it doesn't come with a bell or a rear basket, those are things you'll need to buy and install separately, and the cost for all those little extras can add up quickly. At a minimum any adult trike should come with a storage basket in the back for carrying your stuff. Ideally it would also have a rear-view mirror, a bell, and even a flag to help increase your visibility. This is especially important if you are riding on bike path that is on a roadway.

Riding Into the Sunset - Closing Thoughts

Tricycle at sunset

Hey, this is the end of our list of the best adult tricycles and three wheel bikes. We hope that it was helpful, and we'll try to leave the comment section open so you can ask questions.

Getting the right adult tricycle can make a huge difference in your efforts to get outside and stay fit. A normal bicycle just doesn't work for everyone, and having a three-wheeled option can be the difference for a lot of adults. All of the options, features, and choices can get overwhelming, so hopefully we've narrowed the choices down a bit for you!